430 heads on a 462

WerbyFord · Post by **WerbyFord** » Sun 28. Dec 2008, 09:54

Nice photo, that's what I'm talkin 'bout!

Back on the old MEL forum I had computed John's built 462 Lincoln to nudge its way into the 14's with a 14.97, 436 gross hp and 352 net hp. When I compute a 1" high air filter, the WerbyFord Gonkulator loses 20 net hp and slows to 15.18, so the engine is really going to want more air filter.

Using a 2" high filter and 2% more torq/power due to the cooler air from the boss-like scoop as in Kultulz' photo, the big Lincoln computed to 14.87 and up to 360 net hp. Getting lots of cool filtered air to that big MEL will really matter. Of course you might have to re-jet, the 1st time I had a cool air setup at the strip I spent the whole day adding richer jets and running better and better.

buddy67lincoln · Post by **buddy67lincoln** » Sun 28. Dec 2008, 17:30

KULTULZ wrote:Below is a photo of a gentlemans 1962 LINC slabside installation. It is an EDELBROCK with ROCHESTER carbs so they do sit higher. You can see the scoop on the hood to allow closure.

John's is the OEM setup with 2300 HOLLEYS. It just may fit.

Your link did not work! Yes they are Holly 2300s. Like I said I tried it and it works! Hood does close but I will still get the intake pad measurements for you soon. Any idea if marine cylinder heads would work? I came across some marine 430s pretty close to home I can get ahold of cheap??????? Take care and Happy New Year. Good to hear from you Werby!

KULTULZ · Post by **KULTULZ** » Mon 29. Dec 2008, 02:51

buddy67lincoln wrote:
Your link did not work! Yes they are Holly 2300s. Like I said I tried it and it works! Hood does close but I will still get the intake pad measurements for you soon. Any idea if marine cylinder heads would work? I came across some marine 430s pretty close to home I can get ahold of cheap??????? Take care and Happy New Year. Good to hear from you Werby!

Theo must have initiated the photo feature here as the photo is now displayed. Do you see it?

Thank you for sharing the info that an OEM setup will fit at least (known) 66/ CONT.

The heads will be the same as automotive (I am fairly sure-open to correction) but you have to be careful of how the engine was cooled. If the engine used outside salt water, there may be corrosive damage in the coolant passages. Try and get the Casting I.D. Nos. from the heads.

buddy67lincoln · Post by **buddy67lincoln** » Mon 29. Dec 2008, 07:36

KULTULZ wrote:
buddy67lincoln wrote:
Your link did not work! Yes they are Holly 2300s. Like I said I tried it and it works! Hood does close but I will still get the intake pad measurements for you soon. Any idea if marine cylinder heads would work? I came across some marine 430s pretty close to home I can get ahold of cheap??????? Take care and Happy New Year. Good to hear from you Werby!
Theo must have initiated the photo feature here as the photo is now displayed. Do you see it?

Thank you for sharing the info that an OEM setup will fit at least (known) 66/ CONT.

The heads will be the same as automotive (I am fairly sure-open to correction) but you have to be careful of how the engine was cooled. If the engine used outside salt water, there may be corrosive damage in the coolant passages. Try and get the Casting I.D. Nos. from the heads.

I will have to make sure its a 58-59 engine as well. I did quick measure the carb pads last week before I left for Christmas and got 3-7/8" and 4-7/8" front and rear of intake respectively but I will have to measure with a better ruler later. Thanks for the set up photo. That car is Matt Cattericks (spelling) Lincoln. I have seen it and even emailed him but never received an email back about his extra intake he has listed on his site. He sold that car and now its black. Anyways, that looks sweet! I know the early 60's cars had a lower hoodline. Take care and Iwill get back to you asap

Beep · Post by **Beep** » Mon 29. Dec 2008, 07:53

I have two sets of used 58/59 430 heads. One set is bare and one is complete. Contact me at 281-687-1071 or BPerrenot@hotmail.com. Will let them go cheap.

buddy67lincoln · Post by **buddy67lincoln** » Mon 29. Dec 2008, 08:03

Beep wrote:I have two sets of used 58/59 430 heads. One set is bare and one is complete. Contact me at 281-687-1071 or BPerrenot@hotmail.com. Will let them go cheap.

PM sent! Thanks

buddy67lincoln · Post by **buddy67lincoln** » Mon 5. Jan 2009, 21:42

I know the 1958 cylinder heads will of course match the Super Marauder intake ports but what about 1959 cylinder heads??? I know there was a drop in hp etc. but are the heads a match to 58??? Also, what kind of casting numbers am I looking for on the heads for 1958? B8LE??? Not sure, thanks a lot. I found an entire 1959 430 and 58 or 59 heads from Beep above. Just want to make sure '59 heads will match the '58 intake.

KULTULZ · Post by **KULTULZ** » Mon 5. Jan 2009, 22:10

As long as it is from a 58/59 4V, you are OK. There was a very early 430 head that had larger valves but these would be hard to find. The casting nos. will be either the earlier seven numeric sequence or possibly B9ME (59). I do not have the casting no. index for the heads.

buddy67lincoln · Post by **buddy67lincoln** » Wed 7. Jan 2009, 14:55

My next question is about combustion chamber in the heads:

What should I expect my 462 to do with flat cylinder heads as found on the 1958 cylinder heads? The stock 462 is already at 10.25:1 compression. After talking to Beep about the heads he is going to sell to me, he mentioned that the early MELs 1958-60, there may be a rise in compression. In 1961 the heads were detuned slightly for less compression at 10.1:1 with slight combustion chambers cut into the cylinder heads (I assume). This is also found on the 462s (not sure how much of a difference but we all know 462s had 10.25 compression. If I swapped to 58-60 heads with no chambers I would without a doubt be over 11.0:1 compression. Beep informed me that a 1962 or newer engine will get approx. 11.0:1 compression with 58-60 heads (I assume he means '62-65 430 motors as be mentioned they have 10.1:1 compression.

With this information...what can I expect my 462 to do? I agree with Brian Estrada (through an email about pistons) that these engines can use a little less compression to run better on pump gas. Over 11.0:1+ would be pushing it wouldn't it? And I am not really sure where the compression will be. Also Beep mentioned that all 2V and 4V barrel 430 engines have the same heads and I would think the same. Hope I did not confuse anyone; if I did I will try to fix it! Feel free to leave your thoughts on this as I would like to buy some heads soon and get hopping on the rebuild. Thanks

KULTULZ · Post by **KULTULZ** » Wed 7. Jan 2009, 15:41

The only heads that have chambers (that I am aware of) are 63/65 430 4V as the piston dome shape was modified to create more of a swirl effect during combustion. Do your 462 heads have chambers?

CR was controlled more by piston dome shape than cylinder volume (I may be wrong here as CR was lowered I assume for the 60/62 2V).

The early heads will be flat. So therfore with stock 462 pistons, you should see no increase in CR as it was factory assembled.

If anyone has documentation or a photo of any other head than the 63/65 430 4V having chambers, please share it here.

: EARLY MEL CYL HEAD; MEL Cyl Head-Early.jpg (4.03 KiB) Viewed 13049 times

: 1964 430 4V

: 1966 462 CYL HEAD

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