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One thing I notice, if the 944 cars (at 1/2 of a 928 motor) are running well and lasting a long time, why didn't they offer the 928 in the same stage of tune as the 944?????
In 1984 that would have made the 928 a 300-hp car, instead of what, 234?? Also, in 1990, it would have made the 928 a 416-hp car, because that 944 S2 produces 208 hp.
This just gives me more reason to believe the 928 is a "detuned" motor and not very highly stressed at all. That may be one reason they seem to be so durable and last so long?
Steve W
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WOW I had to play that one over again (with the SOUND turned up !)
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July 28 2005, 6:10 PM
I appreciate the information, but I also appreciate the tunes and the sound effects, AWESOME. I love my S2, but that V8 is just brutal. Got to love it, thanks again,
LM944S2
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I'd sure like to be your neighbor. Seeing that hardware on the road would be a constant treat to the eyes and ears too.
I have a question for you P, are the 4-cam engines any more of a maintenance hog than the single overhead cam version, and are they any more difficult to keep in tune, repair, and run on a daily basis. I've had good luck with my 1980 16v, and I'm wondering about moving up to a 32-valve job.
JohnLSimmons
1980 928
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Although the 944 and 928 share a lot of components and philosophy, the early 944 motor is an interference design, while the same year 928 is not. This is due to the 944 being higher compression, and valves get closer to pistons. The 944 is running at a higher state of tune (per cc) than a 928.
Ken
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The sounds in this post are awesome, makes me feel as though I'm standing next to a 928. I wasn't expecting that, and had my speakers turned up a bit too loud. I thought a car was about to drive through the room.
cheers, Jay
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Since I'm doing some searching today and finding some neat stuff, I thought I would post what Wally Plumley has to say about the 928 block, and how long it should last.
Here is his quote
Regards, Gene
"The 928 block is made of Reynolds 490 high silicon (not silicone) aluminum
alloy. It is precision cast, with controlled cooling for the bores, so as
to bring the silicon to the surface. After boring and honing, the block is
chemically hones to remove a very thin layer of aluminum from the surface
of the bores, leaving a very hard, slightly porous layer of silicon for the
pistons and rings to rub on. Since aluminum does not function well rubbing
against this silicon surface, the aluminum pistons receive a very thin
coating of iron as a wear layer.
Net results:
The cylinder bores are perhaps the longest-wearing ever put in a production
automobile. It is virtually unheard-of for a 928 engine to wear out.
Reboring the cylinders is possible, but requires special care and
knowledge, and usage of a chemical honing treatment to establish the
silicon layer.
Replacement pistons must have an anti-galling wear layer, such as iron,
applied. This coating is rare and expensive in aftermarket pistons.
The block can be bored, and then have iron sleeves installed, but this
eliminates much of the advantage of the Reynolds block."
Wally Plumley
928 Specialists
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This is still one of my all time favorite web pages! Love the sound effects too.
TURN UP YOUR SPEAKERS ! Ha ha
The 928 has one of the most durable, but complex blocks of all time. Looking at a small block Chevrolet, by comparison, makes the Chevy look like a tractor motor. The Germans never were noted for making a complex problem simple, they're well known for making a complex problem much more complex than it needs to be, and creating a solution that works well, but is as complicated a soution that can possbily be designed and manufactured. Sheesh, just look at that timing belt replacement requirement, you have to dissassemble half the front end of the motor to do it.
Autoshark
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Here I am surfing this site, finding lots of really cool stuff, and I stumble upon THIS. What a pleasant surprise, and such a closely held secret in Porsche lore too.
Thanks for posting this, it's awesome.
RT
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