Does anyone know if the irish mob exist to this day in Chicago? Or did the irish and Italians pretty much mix. Chicago is a little more liberal than New York in who they accept. You dont have to be 100% italian. There are plenty of irish and jews as whell. But i wonder if the irish mob is playing it quiet in the backround? Any incite?
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The Cavanaugh family does not exist. It is some guy on Wikipedia. If you look up his sources none and correct. One of the main books cited is even available on google books and there is nothing in there. The biographies are filled with major errors including responsibility being taken for solved murders. Also I have searched the online archives for the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times and none of the names have ever been mentioned in any form. For a gang that has "apparently" been running Chicago for that many years you think it may pop up once. Also when you look at the IPs for who created all the articles it was only ever one person. It is all some random guys fantasy.
Don't believe anything on wikipedia.
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I do take some parts of the article with a pinch of salt but just cos nothing
comes up on Google doesn't necessarily mean the Cavanaughs do not exist. These
complaints have all being put to wikipedia who actually took down the article for
a while because of similar complaints until the guy who wrote it could back it up with substantive evidence and sources. Apparently he did and they were happy
enough with what he provided to put the article back up. I've read about the Cavanaughs elsewhere so don't know if it's the same guy or what but I tend to take
the view that there is some truth to the article, otherwise it wouldn't have been put back up. Certainly, there are sections of Irish OC groups in Chicago that are
known locally but don't get national or Google coverage. I know little about North
side Chicago admittedly but I have relatives who spent time living and working in Bridgeport and they tell me there were OC Irish groups in that area. Hell, the mayor himself is seen by some as the head of the Irish mafia. Anyway, I would be
grateful if someone who lives in the North Side could give more substantial evidence one way or the other.
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Daley is no head of the mob. I would believe there is activity in Bridgeport of all places because there are a ton of Irish there. I have checked the sourcing on the Cavanaugh article myself. He obviously added sources and the wikipedia admin were ok with it, but in reality there is not even one mention of Cavanaugh in the sources, which i have throughly checked.
Plus look at all the murders that are attributed to them. A war with Nitti and Big Sam and no mention. The murders of Johnny Roselli and Ralph Pierce (which it is already known how and why they were killed) and no mention of them ever by any sources. It is a bullshit article. If you check this article on any other OC sites with people in the "know" about Chicago they will tell you. It is a running joke.
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The Daley reference was tongue in cheek but he does have connections to the Duff family who do have mob(and Outfit connections). Listen, whether it's a running joke on outfit forums doesn't really interest me as anyone who can Google
can claim to be 'in the know'. I've only read about them once but do agree there are many claims in the wikipedia article that seem inaccurate. Sam De Stefano, I know, for instance, unless the article is talking about a different Sam De Stefano was not killed the way the article describes so I take your point. But my point is that behind even the most exaggerated stories usually there is an element of truth. There are plenty of exaggerated stories about Mafia families out there too which are well wide of the mark. I've read plenty of them that shouldn't even be in the non-fiction section of the book shop.
Not many people really know (including so-called 'in the know' Outfit forums)
what's happening in Chicago's underworld at present but the Outfit's main ambition
has been to assimilate into legitimate business to such an extent as to become invisible to the city around them. Though far from their golden era to some degree
this has being one of their major achievements in recent years as many people think they're dead. The RICO act makes low profiles necessary but when we come to the shady world of politics, big business and finance the lines between criminality and business become increasingly blurred. The Irish climbed this summit some time ago and now the Outfit, through prudence and necessity are finally fulfilling Accardo's goals of semi-legitamacy. People on Outfit forums often forget that all that slippery backstabbing wiseguy bullshit was never the point. The Italians have little street muscle these days but, like the Irish they're now able to pull the strings where it matters.
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I don't argue with what your saying about the realities, and that you can't get info just from the internet and books etc. Also there is always more then the face value. But I am more then 100% sure that the Cavanaugh's don't exist in any shape or form in mob circles. It is some guy at home who created a wikipedia article that people latched on to. This guy has tried to rewrite mob history and insert a fictional character in along the way.
The Duff's as you mentioned on the other hand are very legit if people want to look into what real Irish OC looks like in Chicago. Also things like Anthony Doyle's involvement in the Outfit, the Hogan families political influence over government contracts. That is the true stuff. People can think what they like, but the Cavanaugh's are 100% made up bullshit.
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Fair enough, if it's bullshit it's bullshit. I do have a fair degree of knowledge
about Chicago but not enough as an outsider to say otherwise. But let's face it the bullshit to fact ratio of much of what's out there about LCN in books, films
and television isn't too much better. Plenty of so called 'in the know' posters
on outfit forums hardly have reason to be smug either. I've read laughable, skyscaper tall bullshit tales from so called 'associates' that would make the Cavanaugh Family story smell like Gospel.
Anyway, you've made your point and as you seem to know your stuff better than I do on Chicago I'll take your word on it.
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