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bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Sat 3. Jan 2009, 07:14
by ltman
What is the Bore and stroke of all the mel motors

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Sat 3. Jan 2009, 08:29
by Theo
383 cid engine...........4,30" X 3,30"
410 cid engine...........4,20" X 3,70"
430 cid engine...........4,30" X 3,70"
462 cid engine...........4,38" X 3,83"

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Tue 6. Jan 2009, 07:48
by Beep
Can a 410 (4.2 bore) be bored to a 430 size (4.3) safely? I have found a NOS set of forged 11.5:1 4.3 standard sized pistons.

MEL ENGINE SPECS 1958/1968

Posted: Wed 7. Jan 2009, 15:47
by KULTULZ
MEL (MERCURY-EDSEL-LINCOLN) Engine Specifications 1958/1968

383C.I. Bore 4.30” x Stroke 3.30” (1958/59) (MERC)
410C.I. Bore 4.20” x Stroke 3.70” (1958) (EDSEL)
430C.I. Bore 4.30” x Stroke 3.70” (1958/65) (LINC-MERC-TBIRD)
462C.I. Bore 4.38” x Stroke 3.83” (1966/68) (LINC)

1958 MERCURY

383C.I. 4V (Monterey Low-Torque)
312HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.5 To 1

383C.I. 4V (Montclair Hi-Torque)
330HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.5 To 1

430C.I. 4V
360HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.5 To 1

430C.I 6V
400 HP (Super Marauder)

1958 EDSEL

410C.I. 4V (E-475)
345HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.5 To 1
475 ft.lb. Torque

1958 LINCOLN

430C.I. 4V
375HP @ 4800 RPM CR 10.5 To 1

430C.I. 6V
400HP @4600 RPM

1959 MERCURY

383C.I. 2V
280HP @ 4400 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

383C.I. 4V
322HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

430C.I. 4V
345HP @ 4400 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1959 LINCOLN

430C.I. 4V
350HP @ 4400 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1959 THUNDERBIRD

430C.I. 4V
350HP @ 4400 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1960 MERCURY

430C.I. 2V
310hp @ 4100 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1960 LINCOLN

430C.I. 2V
315HP @ 4100 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1960 THUNDERBIRD

430C.I. 4V
350HP @ 4400 RPM CR 10.2 To 1

1961 LINCOLN

430C.I. 2V
300HP @ 4100 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1962 LINCOLN

430C.I. 2V
300HP

1963 LINCOLN

430C.I. 4V
320HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.0 To 1

1964 LINCOLN

430C.I. 4V
320HP

1965 LINCOLN
430C.I. 4V
320HP

1966 LINCOLN

462C.I. 4V
340HP @ 4600 RPM CR 10.25 To 1

1967 LINCOLN

462C.I. 4V
340HP

1968 LINCOLN

462C.I. 4V
340HP

There may be mistakes in some of the ratings. They vary by publication. But this will give an idea of how the engine(s) progressed/digressed.

Source- Standard Catalog of FORD 1903-1998 Edited by Ron Kowalke
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Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Wed 7. Jan 2009, 15:54
by KULTULZ
Beep wrote:
Can a 410 (4.2 bore) be bored to a 430 size (4.3) safely? I have found a NOS set of forged 11.5:1 4.3 standard sized pistons.
I don't know the answer to this question. You would think so as MEL would not have to cast more than one block. There were a few 410 users on the old board. Maybe if you cruise through there you can find an E-Mail for one of them. Having it sonic checked is the only other way I would know.

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Wed 7. Jan 2009, 17:34
by Ted
Beep wrote:Can a 410 (4.2 bore) be bored to a 430 size (4.3) safely? I have found a NOS set of forged 11.5:1 4.3 standard sized pistons.
Here's a sonic test sheet for a '58 Edsel 410 that was already 0.060" over. It potentially could have been bored out to 4.300" and still had the prerequisite 0.100" minimum remaining. This particular block had a porosity problem in one of the cylinders and was replaced with another block rather than sleeve the questionable cylinder as this engine had a history of other issues also. If core shift is taken into account on a block that's still a standard bore or close, then the cylinders can be offset bored to keep a more uniform cylinder wall thickness.
MEL Sonic Test 385X499.JPG
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Ted Eaton. www.eatonbalancing.com

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Thu 8. Jan 2009, 02:23
by KULTULZ
Now that's what I call an informative post... :shock:

THANX TED!

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Wed 18. Feb 2009, 17:22
by ltman
Ted i gess you have bult some bad mels to I no your info will be greatly apreshated over hear

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Thu 16. Apr 2009, 14:06
by thedsel
Yes, My Citation 410 is now a 430.
Dave

Re: bore and stoke of mel lincoln

Posted: Tue 21. Apr 2009, 07:30
by austlinc
Hello guys,

Does anyone know what the conrod lenght and piston pin diameter is for the 430 and the 462?

Also were the 462 created by opening up the bore from 4.30" to 4.38" and using the bigger crank in a 430 block?

Are the 430 and 462 identical besides the piston and crank?

Cheers Angelo