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Anybody know the factory spec for rocker shaft diameter?

December 22 2008 at 11:40 AM

Jay Brown  (Select Login jaybnve)
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I have not been able to find this information. I would like to know the diameter specification, and also the +/- tolerance, or else the min and max diameter specification, if that is how it is given. As I understand it, this specification is the same for regular wedge FEs and cammers. Thanks in advance - Jay


Jay Brown
1968 Shelby GT 500 Convertible, 492" 667 HP FE
1969 R code Mach 1, 490" supercharged FE, 9.35 @ 151.20, 2007 Drag Week Runner Up, Power Adder Big Block
2005 Ford GT, 2006 Drag Week Winner, 12.0 Daily Driver
1969 Ford Galaxie XL, 460 (Ho Hum....)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500, 510" SOHC

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Stock Wedge Shaft

December 22 2008, 12:03 PM 

0.839 - 0.840



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my '66 factory manual says 0.838- 0.839

December 22 2008, 12:29 PM 

scan from '66 manual (temporary picture)
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Howie
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That's Odd

December 22 2008, 3:16 PM 

The 67 Factory Manual

Rocker Arm Shaft O.D. 0.839 - 0.840
Rocker Arm To Shaft Clearance 0.0030 - 0.0055 Wear Limit -0.0060
Rocker Arm Bore Diameter 0.843 - 0.844




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My '71 manual says 0.839 to 0.840 also...

December 22 2008, 3:26 PM 

check oout the size from Bills' post on the '58!
Apparently this was changed allot.

 
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Heavy duty shafts

December 22 2008, 1:50 PM 

I think I read that you were using a heavy duty shafts on your motor.
Where did you get them? I'll need some for my 428 at some point in the next year.
My old TP that I raced had gun drilled shafts that I got from FPP. I'm not sure who made them but I would like to find another set.

Mike G

 
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Jay Brown
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Precision Oil Pumps; see the links n/m

December 22 2008, 3:44 PM 

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Jay Brown
1968 Shelby GT 500 Convertible, 492" 667 HP FE
1969 R code Mach 1, 490" supercharged FE, 9.35 @ 151.20, 2007 Drag Week Runner Up, Power Adder Big Block
2005 Ford GT, 2006 Drag Week Winner, 12.0 Daily Driver
1969 Ford Galaxie XL, 460 (Ho Hum....)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500, 510" SOHC

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'65 shop manual .8385-8395

December 22 2008, 2:53 PM 

n/m

 
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Bill Ballinger
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Here is a manual page with the specs

December 22 2008, 3:13 PM 

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Courtesy of the '67-'68 Ford Shop Manual The Old Car Manual Project

 
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Bill Ballinger
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1958 Ford Shop manual

December 22 2008, 3:20 PM 

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352 specs are on the far right. Courtesy of The Old Car Manual Project. Previous post was '67-'68 T-bird

 
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John
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Yup

December 22 2008, 3:28 PM 

My 68 manual says the same .839-.840 shaft dia with a rocker to shaft clearence of .003-.0055 with a wear limit of .0060. John

 
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Jay Brown
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Thanks for the info guys!

December 22 2008, 3:43 PM 

It is rather interesting that there is a little variation in the specs, but what is clear is that the clearance is a lot more than .001", which is what my T&D rockers measured. I'll make sure that T&D gets this information - Jay

Jay Brown
1968 Shelby GT 500 Convertible, 492" 667 HP FE
1969 R code Mach 1, 490" supercharged FE, 9.35 @ 151.20, 2007 Drag Week Runner Up, Power Adder Big Block
2005 Ford GT, 2006 Drag Week Winner, 12.0 Daily Driver
1969 Ford Galaxie XL, 460 (Ho Hum....)
1964 Ford Galaxie 500, 510" SOHC

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Info

December 22 2008, 4:13 PM 

The SAE paper on GT-40 engine development has the rocker-to-shaft clearence at .0015-.003.

 
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Rocker ID is .8440" - .8425"

December 23 2008, 11:27 AM 


According to the print on Dave's Supermotors file site.

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/158543_1



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WOW that is some loose specs

December 23 2008, 2:54 AM 

I had my rockers honed to about .001-.0015 clearance. Guess that's why I do not need restrictors with my EBOK heads and got away with .090 restrictor in my CJ heads.
My thought is a small shaft needs tighter clearance to keep oil pressure up on the bearing surface.

 
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just some wild thoughts.

December 23 2008, 5:33 AM 

I wonder if the specs really mean anything.

They were created with grocery getting in mind, not performance.
So how did it matter how loose or tight they were? It was assumed that there would always be sufficient oil, so if you used a rocker with a two inch bore on a one inch shaft, it probably would have worked ok. Then came the y-block which was the poster child of rocker arm/shaft wear, thanks to the crummy oil of the day and crummy oiling system.

If you are doing a high revolution performance engine of any configuration, seems like a set of proper clearances for that would need to be developed from scratch. At high rpm with high valve spring load, I bet a rocker with a two inch bore would bounce pretty good on a one inch shaft. The idea then would seem to me to get the bore of the rocker close enough to the shaft so that it would always be in contact with the oil film.

I have seen some great video of a valve spring in action at high speeds. I wonder what a rocker/push rod etc would look like in high speed action.

 
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Ford's "performance" clearance specs...

December 23 2008, 12:36 PM 

...my 1965 service specs for cars & trucks, rocker arm to rocker shaft clearance:
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*Cars*, 352, 390, 427 & 430/ 0.003-0.005 wear limit 0.006
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*Trucks*, 352/ 0.0035-0.0055 wear limit 0.0065

330, 361 and 391/ 0.0025-0.0050 wear limit 0.0060
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Since all FE and FT engines are performance engines, these are performance specs.

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Bill Ballinger
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I chased my tail over loose rockers years ago

December 23 2008, 9:41 AM 

They turned out to be terribly wide, so I got a set of oversized shafts from Doug,(POP) and got my clearance down to .002. Huge difference. .0015-.0025 is as tight and wide as I would go.

 
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