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Billet FE head

December 8 2008 at 4:08 PM
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Just had to check and make 100% sure, our new billet canted valve FE head will be on display in the Dart Machinery (#4717) booth at the PRI show.

Brian Clayton
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427Kevin
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Sounds Great

December 8 2008, 5:37 PM 

Can you unveil it on the FE Forum for us? Some preview specs and pictures? What better place to show it off first!

 
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Re: Sounds Great

December 8 2008, 6:51 PM 

Sorry, I dont have any current pictures, and by the time I get up to the cnc shop in a few weeks, the PRI will be over. If no pictures surface by then, I will of course post some. What I can tell you about the heads is:

intake flow 470 cfm
intake valve angle 9x7
exhaust valve angle 8x4
chamber vol 50cc
intake valve 2.300
exhaust valve 1.700
minimum 4.250 bore

they have a stock VC pattern, retain original external appearance (sort of), and yes they do have water jackets.

The heads are finished, ready for production. Right now, one of the heads is at T&D getting rockers done (its sister is going to PRI)

We will be ready for to start production just as soon as we make a few dyno pulls on the first engine. Originaly the first motor was going to be N/A, but now we are changing classes, and building a twin 88/91 mm turbo, methanol, 525ci motor. Should make a easy 2800-3000hp. The heads are designed for N/A, but should work fine for this application. Lets hope Shelby is very conservative on what their block will stand.

 
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Flow ain't all

December 8 2008, 8:28 PM 

Brain,

Alright! So good that someone who knows what they are doing is tackling a new FE head design using modern design criteria. Everyone wants to know "how much do they flow" but most of the beneifts of these heads will come from other improvements .. port shapes, valve locations reducing bore shrouding, combustion chambers aiding in pressure recovery etc..

Here's a great quote from John Kaase from the 460ford.com site to illustrate this point:

"JDM, the heads we have been running as prototypes flow about 420 and 295 CFM. But here's the problem with air flow numbers and computer programs that use them. We can port a set of old A-429 CJ heads to flow 420 CFM. Then port a set of P-51's to flow 420. Finally, the new hemi's flow 420. The exhausts are not that much different in flow, although the hemi has a .140" larger ex. valve and a .050" larger intake valve.
With everything else being the same, same 521" short block, same 273* roller cam, same intake and carb, the CJ would make 700-720 HP, the P-51 would make 800-810, and the hemi would make 900-910. All with the same dry air flow. There is almost 200 HP difference between the CJ and hemi, with the intake air flow being the same. The middle lift air flow numbers on the hemi would be way better, along with bore shrouding, etc. As you can probably tell, I'm not big fan of the flow bench and use it very little. ... Kaase"

Best of luck

Mark

 
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Gary Blair
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Sometimes cylinder head dyno numbers do not tell the whole story either.

December 10 2008, 2:21 PM 

I've seen the older A-429 and other OE CJ designs run withing a few hundreths of the newer P-51.

According to the dyno the P-51 makes 90 HP more.

The ET slip will tell the true story every time.

GB

 
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Just curious, did Ernie Elliot have any involvement with this project? n/m

December 9 2008, 7:00 AM 

n/m

 
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