History Lesson & Surprising there is no additional external beef added to Alum TopLoader
December 1 2008, 8:03 AM
We have always known they were strong Car Craft had a comparo years ago on the 4spd OEM Transmissions and the TL beat the Muncie and Mopar offerings in Shift-ability, and Strength which they claimed was due to the Top Loading feature however that same top-loading left the TL in last as far a ease of repair and service vs the side loading competitors.
Would be interesting to know how much abuse a Alum TL can take
".....top-loading left the TL in last as far a ease of repair and service vs...." LOL....
December 1 2008, 8:34 AM
.......The BI/BO, IMO, would be the last one to ever need repairing. My stock T/L has outlived a clutch, snapped two axles, simultaneously, and cracked a traction bar. I'm sorry, I forgot the time 3rd gear seized up on the output shaft. It was the third trip flat-towing it with the driveshaft in the trans. We were on our way to Columbus for an Expo when we heard the engine roar to life and severely dragging down the speed of the 67 Galaxie towing the car, LOL. We just chained it to a tree at a nearby campground and enjoyed the rest of the weekend, Rod.
as an iron cased T-loader. Know it's a totally different trans (engine & car for that matter) but we used to run a Borg Warner 2.64 low Super T-10 in a 3,400lb drag car. Even iron cased, the trans would not stand up to 575hp, 12" slicks and 7,000rpm+ dump the clutch starts. This was just before soft-lock (i.e. adjustable slipper clutches) clutches came way down in price and became widely used in S/S class cars.
Any aluminum cased trans we ran across in use by fellow drag racers (usually M-21 and M-22 GM trans and the occasional T-10) often had a racing life of about one event! Sometimes just a few runs! The case would spread from the heavy loading and shell the gears.
That said, any alum. cased T-Loader run on the street would live a long life IMHO. But, put that same car on wide and tall slicks, add a 500+ hp engine, rev to top rpms and follow the dump-the-clutch routine and it would break in short order.
manual transmissions are his business yet they run an automatic in their Falcon that they drag race. You would think that in order to help suppport the business they would run a Jerico or a Long manual trans in it. I realize that running the class that they do an automatic is the easiest to tune especially with nitrous. Hey I'm not trashing the guy but it just kinda struck me as weird.
the fact that Ray Paquet has one of the toughest FEs anywhere on earth, running the SS/B Thunderbolt with a stick to uncountable records over the years. His brother Jim owns JPT - one of the nation's better known drag race automatic trans suppliers.
but not everyone can drive a stick car. Personally, I wouldn't race if I had to run an auto. Here's a local guy with a small chain of Auto Tranny shops (Victoria Automatics on the door) that is the same way. SS/A car, and one of several absolutely stunning Mopars he has.
many times I've been tempted to turn to the darkside since its the easy way out and just as many times I have refused. Your right Dale, running a stick is definately not for everyone...only us lucky ones get that thrill..lol
I kind of recall the Alum internal rail 4spds originally used in later 70s FoMoCos
December 2 2008, 7:54 AM
was said to use gears, shafts, bearings etc from the Toploaders. At some point FoMoCo sold the trans stuff to Tremic and the rest is Hist..
I had a 79-1/2 Stang and dispite never really beating on the trans it's shifting went south at less then 100K as did seemingly everyone elses