First off, I am not real familiar with the 429CJ exhaust manifold. That being said, one was listed as DOOZ NOS CJ SCJ exhaust manifold.The DOOZ numbers were on the box underneath the manifold in the picture and were magic marked in. I looked up the numbers in a parts book and they indicated as described 429 CJ,SCJ. There were two pictures in the ad, I didn't get a real good look as they were somewhat vague. Going by the advertised listing, I purchased it. Got it and the number on the manifold is DOOE 9431 B . Aside from the number not matching this manifold is for a small block.
Contacted this fellow and he said some crap about the Z in the number is just a ford part and the E means it is for the motor area and anyone could have seen that this was not for a big block, Even though it was listed as CJ SCJ DOOZ.
Do I go to ebay with this if he does'nt come through? Do I have a case? Sorry for ranting
THanks, Warren

Seller is steves1929

item number is 110311269718

I do own an FE by the way

68 Torino GT S code 390 fstbk
70 Torino GT 351cl 4spd
71 Torino Cobra 429 C6

the company (that I won't name) that sent me a small-block fan shroud instead of the FE version.

Don't these people know their parts/businesses?

I mean, how hard is it really to tell the difference between MEL/FE/SBF parts...for someone who deals in them all day every day?

i needed a oil slinger for a 350 rocket the one that i beleave goes on the crank .
we called everywhere and no one had any clue what we were talking about . not a clue it was like i was talking to a bunch of retards
we ended up finding one at kelly motors . we were talking to the guy and we found it on the floor behind a shelf used but i doubt thats a big deal but it was free and we found it and the motor actually kicks alot of butt for being a seized motor when i got it
but what do u do in that situation where every place i called had not a clue whati was talking about

if he will not make it right do not wait to file a claim with ebay, there is a time limit.

If you used PayPal (Yes,I know we all complain about them )you can file a dispute and "lock up " the money until rectified.Right now, Ebay is more interested in protecting the buyer than the seller. You have a good case ,just follow your options. If you did ot use PayPal you still have a case through Ebay,just different "hoops" to jump. Don't get taken or lose $$$ on a bogus listing!!!!As mentioned you must act quickly though.

Engines are like garages,never big enough! Check out my distributor restoration site! http://428cobrajetcars.homestead.com

I contacted Ebay and they said I have to wait ten (10) days before I file a claim and it was paid for on the 16th. Will look into it further. Thanks, Warren

68 Torino GT S code 390 fstbk
70 Torino GT 351cl 4spd
71 Torino Cobra 429 C6

It is obvious that the manifold pictured in the auction is for a small block. That being said, you have a good case anyway because he misrepresented the part in the listing. You should have no problem getting your money back. Just pay closer attention in the future and this can be avoided.

thegoingthing.com

His misleading title is to blame. He should have included more info. he has a bunch of parts and got in a hurry with the listing.

me to a refund. Buyer beware,(Dummy beware) Warren

68 Torino GT S code 390 fstbk

70 Torino GT 351cl 4spd

71 Torino Cobra 429 C6

The only thing wrong with his auction is the SCJ part. That may save you when you file an item not as described complaint but beyond that you screwed up big time and the rest of what he says is true. The number shown for the part is the correct part number for a small block, a D0OZ-9431-A would have been a 429 but D0OZ-9431-B is for a 351W. Next, he is telling the truth about the part number versus the engineering number on the part, they should not match. Part numbers always have a Z in the 4th position but the engineering number (the nuumber on the part) should have a letter corresponding to what the part is and all exhaust manifolds should have an E as they are engine parts. Even a correct 429 manifold has a Z in the 4th slot of the part number and an E in the 4th slot of the engineering number, that is how Ford does it there is nothing wrong or misleading about that part of his listing. If you had looked at the picture or looked up the part number he listed you would have known it was a 351 manifoled. The SCJ part is very misleading so I would file a complaint but you should have known it was not a 429 manifold just from the information he supplied. Hawkrod

Hawkrod

39 Ford Deluxe Coupe
59 Tbird 430
60 Lincoln Premier
(2)62 Tbirds
(3)68 Cougar XR7-G's
69 Cougar 428CJ 4 speed
77 1/2 Ford F250 4X4 w/460 swap
86 SVO mustang
76 F250 Crew Cab
1969 Mach I
look at my cars past and present at superford!

It is misleading to say SCJ but half the stuff on eBay is misrepresented, every garen variety 390 part is "427 Cobra".

The picture shows a 351W manifold and i've never seen a NOS one but $150 sounds like a deal considering used ones can sell for half of that or more.
I don't think the customer should be expected to identify it as non-429, if the seller knows what it is it should be listed as such.
Other times obviously junk items are listed with a description that vaguely hints at it's non-useful status but leaves it up to unwary bidders to decipher.
But how can you police that? Truly is buyer beware.

Actually the SCJ was the part that mislead me the most. In the back of my mind I thought the manifold looked different but ASSUMED seeins it said SCJ it was for a 429. Well I will see how it goes. Thanks, Warren.

68 Torino GT S code 390 fstbk
70 Torino GT 351cl 4spd
71 Torino Cobra 429 C6

...many part number prefixes don't end in a "Z", but most after the 1950's do:

CODD-1007-J

COAA-1102-C

C1AA-1102-A

B-1012 (no suffix)

C1UW-1177-A

LF-1131-A

C5MY-5310-A

C6GY-6A664-A

C8LY-9450-A

Everything and it's cousin is listed as a 69 mustang radio when it's obvious they're 70's and 80's radios.

People think just because it fits the hole it can be advertised that way, and I guess it can.

It could be used in a 69 mustang but it's not correct.

You really have to know what you're doing on ebay.

Some of it's misrepresentation, but a lot of it is just ignorance.



Edit: ok why did that just post as anonymous? I was logged in. Also what's with the spaces, I didn't put them in when I entered the post. It keeps adding spaces when I edit.

chances of his just being dumb are good. The SCJ / DOOZ certainly throws everything in the trash as far as his not missleading the potential buyer. Saying shelby Cobra on a Mustang part is AOK because numerous select parts were used on both but certainly no SCJ DOOZ ----------Small block Manifold
With the value why not just list it on ePay yourself and clean up with more then you paid for it? That would do justice better then the hassles of returning it..

I contacted Paypal and started a " dispute" Seller responded with it is a Torino 302 NOS part and will refund purchase price only and not shipping. I responded this morning with My sources indicate it is a 351 windsor part small block manifold. For the sake of argument and simplicity I agreed and will send it back in lieu of the refund. Will not ask for shipping amounts, will use them as payment for this lesson.

There is an Identical 351 windsor manifold on Ebay right now properly listed for 27.99 buy it now.
Same one that I got numbers and all, go figure.

Thanks for all of the responses. I did not take offense to any as they were informative and I can always learn something new. Warren



68 Torino GT S code 390 fstbk
70 Torino GT 351cl 4spd
71 Torino Cobra 429 C6

You can't be faulted for believeing seller despite your lack of knowlwdge. Ebay has far more circumstances envolving seller fraud then buyer fraud. Lister's intent was to misrepresent and defraud someone and he was successfull. You're bought a SB manifold represented as a BB manifold and seller knew it. His e-mailed response is admissible in court and proves his intent to defraud. [Been there and won; a paper trail never lies.] To those who think buyer is culpable because of his or her lack of knowledge, read the following; My bud's girlfriend buys a part from eBay for his birthday, wraps it up and presents it to him only to find not only was it misrepresented, his well intentioned girl friend over paid and time has expired to file a claim with eBay. Does that make her responsible for being misled and taken advantage because of her lack of knowledge? I don't think so!! A great many eBay sellers have a certain "moral flexibility" that I find reprehensible.


*Footnote; engineering/casting numbers never same as
numbers in a legit parts catalog although they can be
used by a savy Ford counterman to identify a particular part.

I've seen other EBAY adds where the picture cannot be used because it is some generic photo, so the guy is stretching to say you should've checked the photo. Part numbers are a mystery to many of us (and I am always appreciative when Hawkrod, Royce or one of the other experts speak up) so that too seems a stretch to verify the part number, when in fact the listing said CJ.

EBAY has cultivated a whole new language of "KEY WORDS" and implications that have NOTHING to do with the parts being sold, and would leave an honest buyer from one generation ago totally misled.

I believe the burden of accuracy resides with the seller, because (duh!) he has the part in his possesion prior to the sale. I'll bet a court would agree, though EBAY might have their own politically correct (meaning they don't want to piss off the dishonest sellers that they profit from) policy.

Gary B

I've used eBay the past 3 years quite often to find hard to source parts for my CJ restoration.
I've been taken advantage of by unscrupulous sellers who hide damaged portions of their items when photographing them, blatantly lied of the condition, sell reproductions for authentic, etc. Fortunately on every purchase complaint I've filed eBay and/or PayPal has backed me up and I've gotten a refund. The lesson here is you better have a very fast learning curve of what real parts are and be sure to ask lots of questions to the seller. Do your due diligence or risk getting screwed. Buy a disc(s) that has the '65 through '73 parts identifications and applications book on it. If a seller does not respond or does not specifically address your question avoid him like the plague.
Now a little about integrity. Since when has it become OK and acceptable to "sorta", "kinda", "almost", "maybe", describe an item for sale? Yes, deceit has been around for thousands of years but telling this neophyte car hobbyist it's his fault for buying the misrepresented item misses the mark. There is a level of honest interpretation that the item one is purchasing is what the heading of the item description says it is. An analogy that comes to mind is that each time you wanted to eat a steak you first had to run a DNA scan to be sure it was beef. The sign said steak so one has a level of belief that it is cow not horse.