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Was GM less than ethical back in the 60's?

November 19 2008 at 12:02 PM
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I was just looking at the results from various national events back in the day. Starting with the '61's, I remember that the 389 Pontiac was only available from the showroom with a 348 HP hyd lifter setup. If you wanted solids you had to order the whole kit and install yourself. The result was 368 HP. Well, at the Winternats, the HP 390's and the 409's had no trouble with Pontiacs. Fast forward to the Indy Nats and Pontiac AND Chevy show up with NEXT YEARS (1962) engines-- a 421 with dual quads and a TOTALLY updated 409 also with dual quads!!?? Not only were the 389's unavailable with solids DURING the entire model year, but less than a handful of 421's were now allowed to race in stock division? Of course, only a select few people had one. Similar with Chevy. Only 115 or so 360 HP 409's were built, but now at the end of the model year Chevy shows up at the Nats with a completely new 409, dual quads, etc. Ford sold the 390 HP all year long (7000 units) and that was used at the Nats at Indy. Outcome? 390's were not in the winners circle. I think NHRA was wrong to have allowed those 421 and 409 cars to run stock class. I know what your thinking. This guy has too much time on his hands to get involved with ancient stuff like this. LOL but it's cold here and I'm waiting for parts to resume the project before I brave the frigid temps in the garage.

 
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Tom P
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of course

November 19 2008, 12:13 PM 


Lots of stuff was bogus. For instance the 1964 Z11 427" (409 style) Chevelles. These were said to have been built by the racers themselves but a glance at any old SuperStock magazine will show they all look to be built the same. This was after GM's racing ban so it had to be hushed up.

Them's cheatin' bastards and i'm sure they still are.

 
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Theres a book out......

November 19 2008, 12:22 PM 

or soon to be "ConFEssions of a muscle car test driver"Supposed to be a tell all.I had the info.on my bench but can't find it now.


    
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Craig
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this one?

November 19 2008, 12:39 PM 


 
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F570rd
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Dang your good.......yup...nm

November 19 2008, 12:49 PM 

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decent pricing at half.com

November 20 2008, 8:25 AM 


 
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Muscle Car Confidential sure brings back memories

November 23 2008, 8:42 AM 

I was fortunate to grow up in "the neighborhood" that Joe Oldham wrote about in High Performance Cars Magazine. In the day saw a few Street Races for more money then I made in a year. Never saw a crash.

 
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Not only they cheated in NHRA....

November 19 2008, 4:41 PM 

But they were blatant cheaters in NASCAR. The 421 engine that was not available to the general public it was found that the typical Pontiac engine had over 20 rule violations that NASCAR seem to overlook in the interest of diversity, and probabily a large sum of money changing hands. Not only the 421 was not avalviable to the public at that time but it had steel cranks, 4 bolt mains, Isky cams and numerous other violations.

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Butch Leal told me the #997 S/S Galaxie he drove at the 63 Nationals had 'glass doors....

November 19 2008, 5:09 PM 

........none of the techs noticed or he would've been in L/P or AFX, LOL, Rod.

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