War has always been a part of peace. However odious it may seem to the "doves" out there, the warrior has made it possible for the freedom we all have to differ on the subject. We fought to stop unfair taxation, fascism, communism, and cowardly terrorism in the name of delusional theocracy. Our dead and walking wounded bear those scars, along with the families who see people who are not the same people they were before their service. Many did not serve in any official capacity, but bear those scars none the less for going into places a regular could not go and doing things for our service that will never be spoken of. Take one day to drop all judgmental thought toward those who live in another world and have seen and had to do things you have never seen or did, or could possibly imagine. Their suffering will never be validated by recognition, it can't.
Take the time today to remember a loved one lost, or call a friend "who was there." It is their day. Let us celebrate and embrace them as the national treasure they are, and understand the changes to them that cannot be undone.
God Bless America, and Canada on your Day of Remembrance.
Bill
This message has been edited by BillBallinger120 on Nov 11, 2008 6:28 AM
A Happy 233rd Birthday, yesterday, to the U S Marine Corps.
Bill you never stop amazing me. Your words about our vets should be posted on every web site on the net, beautifull my friend. You hit the deep feelings that most all of us vets have. Very few of us feel or think of ourselvs as heros or having done anything very special other then answering the call. The real heros with few exceptions didn't come home. They gave it all for our freedom as we know it.
God bless all how have served, no matter in what theater be it peace or war time, thoes serving now in this hard time and thoes who will follow later. Thank you perserving our freedoms.
dedom
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Re: To our veterans, thank you for your hard work and sacrrifices
November 11 2008, 7:52 AM
Thanks to all the veterans for the sacrafices you have made to keep us free.
I go today to have a "talk" with some friends who will not answer, to say thanks and that some remember. A small flag will mark my visit and hopefully remind others who lies there and what they did.
My dad served in the pacific. He NEVER talked about it, except once when he told my sister that he was in a trench with a buddy, and his buddy poked his head up and was shot and killed. Imagine living with that the rest of your life.
He always said no matter what he did, the heros were the ones who never came back. I know he never forgot them as long as he lived, and he was always so proud of all our veterans, and all who now serve.
I know he lived his life to be the best he could in honor of those who never made it back.
I'm not convinced the recent wars have anything to do with keeping anybody free but i've got the poppy on and am headed out the door to the centotaph as i've done every year to show support for the brave souls that were involved in those conflicts.
Last year there was a great speech by a WWII chaplain condemning the current war in Afghanistan while supporting the troops and urging them to return safely. .
I take the sacrafices are men and women make very seriously and they have my undying gratitude, but in my opinion it is not an act of patriotisum to jump on the bandwagon everytime some self-indulgent a$$hole starts waving the flag and rattling his sabre. War is a very nasty and deadly bussiness and the deeper you look the uglier it gets. The next time you hear politicians clammoring for war stop and ask yourself if any of them have been in one, and take the time to listen to what the generals and admirals have to say. Nothing is worse than alot of great young people dying for the wrong reasons. Sorry about the rant. Thanks for the post Bill, and a happy vetrans day to all. Mike
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Whether war is waged competently is a matter for history
November 12 2008, 10:14 AM
It is an ugly business. But so is watching an attack that over 3,000 innocent civilians lost their lives in from a craven act of terror that we failed to act upon and prevent when we had a chance. We can never return to the "hands off" attitude we had as long as a single one of those cowardly bastards are drawing air. The world has changed, but the just rules of civilized war has not. The ineptitude of choosing targets falls upon command. They will answer for those lost in wrongful chosen battles. Chosan, Kaissan, Beirut, Mogadishu, Baghdad, and Kabul. That is the burden of command. To wield the rod of justice is the duty of every man when faced with cowards who would feel free to destroy all that is decent. It is ugly when you have to fight with one hand tied behind your back. But, to retain the moral high ground, this is sometimes necessary. The men and women who fight this fight are of the highest order of honorable. Peace without honor is tribute. The Romans did that to people. My ancestors crossed the Alps with Hannibal to fight Rome. They died honorably in defeat, but it changed the way Rome viewed its style of imperialism.
We can not allow the dishonorable kinds of organizations that exist today under their "holy cause" to attack us. To me they are no better than the KKK, or the street gangs that rule our inner cities. How about this? I will go in , strap a supernuke on my back and I'll walk right in there and turn it all into a nice quiet sandbox for the next million years. Anything short of that commitment of a single person is going to require that we commit our resources to the battle in a conventional sense. On the surface that appears to be a very brave and elegantly simple thing to do. The problem is would I, as judge, jury and executioner, be any more morally justified in my action than the people who flew planes into the twin towers? Does that not negate the sacrifice of those who follow the rules of engagement by committing an act of shame of that magnitude? We are trying to rise above fighting an enemy who does not respect human life with tactics that leave as small of a collaterally destructive footprint as possible. You can get shot gassing your car up these days in north St Louis, or Flint, Michigan. Police have to put their lives on the line every day to go into "those places" to keep this cancer from eating our society, within rules of engagement that are not much different than what we have to do overseas.
It will always be the duty of the honorable to stand up to the cowardly destroyer of all that is decent and civil. Soldier to soldier is how war should be fought, unfortunately that is the nature of civilization over chaos. In these times, shrinking from our honorable duty has made our enemies strong, and in showing that we have little stomach for a fight just gives them heart. Not me, I'll catch that snake and take its head off before it hurts someone unaware. It is my duty.
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Thank you to all our veterans , past and present. I may never know what it feels like to have served our country, but i know what it feels like to be a proud American ,and thankful for those that have served.